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We're currently in the process of evaluating BarTender and we are very impressed so far. Unfortunately, one of the main requirements we have is the ability to print labels with master/detail records. Specifically, we are looking to print carton labels and the details would be the contents of the carton. We're currently doing this with Crystal Reports but looking to move to software more geared towards labels. Thank you for your consideration.

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I second this feature request (if one can do such a thing). While it can be done via VB, I can foresee it being done so much better from the fine folks at Seagull Scientific with design features and GUI formatting for more and better formatting options.

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We're currently in the process of evaluating BarTender and we are very impressed so far. Unfortunately, one of the main requirements we have is the ability to print labels with master/detail records. Specifically, we are looking to print carton labels and the details would be the contents of the carton. We're currently doing this with Crystal Reports but looking to move to software more geared towards labels. Thank you for your consideration.
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Hi Kyle,

We had the same requirements and we setup a database connection to an Excel Spreadsheet containing the required masterdata. We were also able to use standard Excel functions to format some of the barcode strings we required as well. (eg. day number, Best Before End etc.)

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Ian
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We are also trying to accomplish the same thing with a "packslip" type label containing line items. I don't see any way to accomplish this without some kind of fugly hack. Unless BT has some tools for inserting repeating records into a single label (haven't seen anything in our older version of Enterprise) this will require a matrix of individual fields to be created instead of the repeating fields, and some very complex scripting to breakout the row data into unique named fields. It looks hideous in concept....

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After digging into the version 10 release notes, it looks like this is possible now using multiple "templates".

The release notes even state this example: "Shipping labels that have packing slips on the reverse side of the label backing."

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After digging into the version 10 release notes, it looks like this is possible now using multiple "templates".

The release notes even state this example: "Shipping labels that have packing slips on the reverse side of the label backing."

 

I believe you have misinterpreted the concept behind using multiple templates in a bartender document.  My take on this concept is that you can print a product label and a shipping label using the same document file, so one print request will produce 2 labels with different formats (and data) on them.

 

Maybe a Bartender guru can clarify this for us.

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I believe you have misinterpreted the concept behind using multiple templates in a bartender document.  My take on this concept is that you can print a product label and a shipping label using the same document file, so one print request will produce 2 labels with different formats (and data) on them.

 

Maybe a Bartender guru can clarify this for us.

You may be right, but if so- it will be less about me misinterpreting and more about Seagull lying. The list of new features can't say that pack sheets can be printed without implying that there is master detail data present. They are talking up the fact that it can be used for far more than just labels now, and trying to distance themselves from the concept of a "label" format. I just ordered an upgrade for over $5K, so if this was all BS, I won't be a happy camper.

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MightyGorilla: Always test with the Trial edition if you're not sure if a BarTender feature fully meets your needs.  I don't think we have ever lied, and do our best not to be misleading.  However, explaining complex issues can sometimes give people the wrong impression.

 

The template feature is akin to multiple pages in a Word document, in that each page can have whatever label design you want on it.  Note that a page is not always the same as a label.  Sometimes it is, and sometimes it isn't.

 

The main difficulty is that when using BarTender's built-in database connection you will be limited to one record per label.  The functionality wanted would normally require multiple records per label.  As mentioned, there are various ways in which you can work-around this limitation.

 

It should be noted that we've just released BarTender v10.1 which includes a number of new features that should help in this type of label design.  Unfortunately this does not include multiple records per label, but it does give you tools to make your workarounds easier.  Download from the below link:

 

http://www.bartenderbarcodesoftware.com/label-software/barcode-label-printing-software-download.aspx

 

A white paper detailing the changes will be forthcoming shortly.

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Ian Cummings: Have there been any white papers released regarding the work around and alternatives to "Multi Record per label" needs that come with creating complex labels, invoices, sales receipts, etc?

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You'd want to make use of the page template feature which first appeared in BarTender v10.1.  See the below white papers:

https://www.seagullscientific.com/media/668127/bartender-intelligent-templates-201608.pdf 

https://www.seagullscientific.com/media/415502/creating-headers-footers-201603.pdf 

And here is an example for you to play with:

https://goo.gl/938aQQ 

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Are there any current version improvements or plans in the roadmap for this in the near future?

Since we've used Bartender, (10 years or so) it's always been a good label automation system,

and even though it was never touted to be a reporting system, it's a "near miss" at replacing

something like Crystal Reports or SSRS, primarily due to this limitation. (Regardless of the existence of workarounds to cobble something together...)

 

None of us want to use several overlapping systems to accomplish nearly the same tasks,

so I'm mainly just interested in whether there is any kind of effort underway to move in that direction.

 

Thanks 

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Travis Truax: In our next major release, coming in the not too distant future, we will indeed have a number of improvements in this area of functionality that we hope you'll like.  In general going forward I'd say - watch this space.

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Good to hear, Ian.

I appreciate the update-

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